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Written by bluekite2000

May 28, 2009 at 10:11 am

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Negotiating (part 2)

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First I send him an email asking him about the promo.

A cuong cho hoi toi doc trang nay
http://data.fpt.vn/khuyenmai/
thay ghi la giam gia 20% hd tren 4tr.
Vay neu toi thue easy server 6 thang (6thangx800K/1thang) la 4.8 co duoc giam 20% ko a?


Dat

Here is his reply

Chào Anh Đạt,

Giá tr Hop Đồng trên 4triu, bên em s gim 20% cho bên Anh,

Em gi Anh hp đồng mu 6 tháng, Anh xem file đính kèm nhé.

Anh Liên h vi em theo thông tin bên dưới, em s tiếp nhn th tc là trin khai cho Anh nhé!!

Thân ái

Duy Phát

Anh để lại số đt để em liên hệ nhé!!

That was easy. However I looked over the contract and there was still that pesky 1-time registration fee (which the old sales guy agreed to drop). So I emailed him back, citing an invisible friend

Hi,

Thang ban no cung thue cai server nay ben a hom bua a dau tin Phí khởi tạo dịch vụ dau.

A sua lai hd gium Dat nhe.

Dat

But he refused to drop it, unless I was on a 1 year contract

Chào Anh Đạt,

Em hỏi lại sếp rồi Anh Đạt ơi, Nếu bỏ phí khởi tạo 500, Anh đăng ký 1năm nhé.

ĐK 1 năm:

1.Miễn phí khởi tạo

2.Giảm 20%

Được không Anh, Anh Đạt thuê cho công ty àh

Thân ái

Duy Phát

There was no way I would do a 1 yr contract because a. it was a lot of up front money and b. within 6 months fpt would drop the price. I decided to cite my invisible friend again

Hi,

Ko duoc dau a. Ban minh no lam hd co 6 thang ha.

Ma hoi do minh thue host cua cty a dau co bao gio phai tra phi khoi tao dau.

A xem lai nhe

Dat

Unfortunately, he wouldn’t bulge.

Chào Anh Đạt,

Em hỏi lại rồi, bên fpt không giảm phần khởi tao dịch vụ được.

Nếu mình đăng ký 1 năm thì giảm mới được anh ơi!!

Thanks

Duy Phát

At this point I decided to walk away. A day later, as I expected, he emailed me to check up, telling me how the deal I got was already very good

Chào A.Đạt,

Sao rồi Anh, Cty mình có thuê con VPS để chạy không Anh?

Giá của VPS hiện tại là dow xuống rất nhiều rồi đó Anh, kèm theo giảm giá 20% nửa.

Nếu được thì mình làm HĐ trong tháng để được khuyến mãi 20% Anh nhé!!

Thân ái,

Duy Phát

I wouldn’t buldge

A phat,

A khuyen mai phi khoi tao+20% off (hd 6 thang) thi minh lam.

Tai gia tren mang no nhu vay ma`.

Dat

At which point, he folded

Chào A.Đạt

Gửi lại Anh HĐ VPS đăng ký 6 tháng (Miễn Phí Khởi Tạo + 20% off), Anh in ra 2 bản nhé

Khi nào bên Annh mới lên đăng ký vậy Anh

Thanks

Duy Phát

The final cost 4224000 (compared to 6600000), a saving of 36%. Plus I got double the mem!!!

As an after note, the old sales guy called me half a dozen times, all of which I ignored. He also sent me an email, pleading his case
Dear anh Dat,

Anh vui long cho em hoi la hop dong moi anh tien hanh xong chua? Hom nay la 20/5 la ngay het han cua hop dong cu, theo quy dinh la sau 03 ngay het han hop dong ma khach hang khong duy tri tiep thi ben em se stop server cua khach hang.

Ve viec khuyen mai cua dich vu EasyServer thi em da giai thich cho anh roi, con khuyen mai ma anh doc duoc tren website ” giam gia 20% hd tren 4tr” la ap dung doi voi dich vu Hosting chu khong phai dich vu EasyServer, day la 02 dich vu hoan toan khac nhau.

Anh con thac mac them gi thi cu cho em biet nhe.

Han hanh duoc hop tac cung anh.

Than chao anh!

Today he called me again. I picked up and told him I found a better deal… from the guy sitting next to him

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May 27, 2009 at 9:19 am

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How a market is formed

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11:05am-A cycle stops laden w/ shoes stops

11:10am-Motorcyclists and pedestrians stop. The bargaining begins

11:20am-Deals are cut. Market disperses

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May 27, 2009 at 8:53 am

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Negotiating

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A few weeks ago I received an email from FPT announcing my hosting contract is to expire soon. To continue the service, I had to pay 6.6mil for 6 months. But I vaguely remembered I only paid 6mil so I emailed him back:
A Nhan,
Sao lan truoc co 6tr lan nay len toi 6.6tr?
Khanh hang lau nam phai giam chu??? Dang nay lai tang.
Dat

His reply:
Dear anh Dat,
Lan truoc cung la 6,6tr chu khong phai 6tr, anh xem lai gium em.
Thanks anh!

So I checked my old contract and indeed he was right. Upon further research I realized Fpt only charges 800K/month for new contract. So I emailed him again
Ko a,
easy server gio chi co 800K/thang .
khuyen mai giam 10% nua.
Gia 6tr6 ko  duoc dau a.
Dat

At this point, he realized I knew the current price.
Dear anh Dat,
Bang gia do ap dung cho KH moi tai thoi diem hien tai, neu anh muon ap dung gia do thi anh co the huy hop dong hien tai va ky hop dong moi thi anh se duoc gia 800K, neu anh muon giam 10% thi anh phai thang toan 12 thang.
Anh co gi thac mac thi anh vui long cho em biet nhe.
Thanks anh!

So I thought about it and decided to do 6 months only, thinking in 6 months the price would drop more than the 10% discount I would have gotten (had I done the  12 months contract).  There was no reason for me not to do a new contract. All I had to do was tell my system admin guy to move the site to the new server (which had more memory and bandwith, along w/ a better price) so I emailed him
Nhan lam hd 6 thang thoi nhe.
1 nam lau qua.
Dat

His reply was
Dear anh Dat,
Em gui anh Bo hop dong moi, anh vui long dien thong tin vao gium em nhe cho chinh xac, khi nao anh lam xong thi anh cho em biet nhe.
Thanks anh!

Upon looking at the new contract, I saw he added a 1 time registration fee (500K) so I asked him about it
Nhan,
Ban minh cung vua lam hd easy server moi no noi dat no duoc khuyen mai phi khoi tao dich vu.
Lan truoc nhan cung khuyet mai cai do cho dat ma.
Nhan xem lai nhe.
Thanks,

This was reasonable enough so he agreed to drop it
Dear anh Dat,
OK, em gui lai anh Bo hop dong, anh xem qua gium em nhe.
Thanks anh!

So the new price for 6 months is now 5280000. I thought that was a good deal (significantly better than the 6.6mil he asked initially) but to make sure I got the best deal, I went online again. To my surprise, fpt is currently giving a 20% off for contracts worth more than 4 mil.
Of course I had to ask
A Nhan,
Dat moi len trang nay
http://data.fpt.vn/khuyenmai/
thay ghi la giam gia 20% hd tren 4tr.
Sao nhan ko giam cho minh vay? Tren day ghi ro rang la giam 20% neu thue host ben fpt ma`!
Dat

His reply was
Dear anh Dat,
Giam 20% la doi voi KH vua mua domain vua dang ky EasyServer, dong thoi thanh toan 12 thang moi duoc giam nhu vay.
Neu KH khong mua domain thi khi dang ky EasyServer se duoc giam 10%, dong thoi thanh toan 12 thang.
Con ben anh thi thanh toan 06 thang nen chi duoc Free phi khoi tao thoi.
Anh con gi thac mac thi anh vui long cho em biet.
Thanks anh!

This meant in order to get the 20% discount, I had to have a 12 month contract+purchase of a domain name. Of course this was total B.S since nowhere on Fpt’s promo page anything like that was written. At this moment I decided to stop talking to this guy and ignored all his calls (5 total). Instead I started talking to another sales guy in his team.

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May 18, 2009 at 9:41 am

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Things I do to cut costs

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For my bookstore, I have done the following:

-Use fan instead of AC. Electricity bill before the fan: 1.8mil. After 800K.

-Use in house talent to design posters, biz cards, flyers, etc.

-Print what you need. Vietnamese always tries to upsell. When I first opened the shop, I agreed to do bulk prints which ended up costing 3.2 mil for 4000 flyers, 3000 of which I still have, collecting dust in a box underneath the stairs. Recently I had to print biz cards again. I opted to print 1 box (60K/box, as opposed to 25K/box if you print 10).

-Lay off/cut hours some staff. For the days which I stay home, I watch the store myself. Well I actually work upstairs w/ my software guy. When someone comes in, a bell senses his motion and goes ding dong. Then I (or the software guy) come down.

-Hire staff who can do other stuff for me, like designing, cleaning, delivering books, online-marketing,inventory, and account management. All the students have a laptop. I just have them enter what books are sold for how much in a shared file on Google Docs.

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May 18, 2009 at 8:30 am

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Achitecture

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I dont know what is going on but one of the top schools in VN cant even spell architecture

Achitecure by you.
And in case you are wondering what that school is. It is “Đại học kiến trúc” (Univ of architecture)

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May 14, 2009 at 5:33 pm

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A restaurant on the st

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In Sg, buying and selling things on the st is a very big thing. Practically at every corner, you are bound to see:

-sidewalks used as a parking lot

-sidewalks used as an overflow of all kinds of businesses (repair shops, restaurants, clothes shops,etc)

-occasionally I see a st vendor putting his goods on the st (coconuts, lottery ticket tables, etc) or a xe om guy parked on the st but this is the 1st time I see a legit establishment (in this case a restaurant) laying out tables on the sidewalk AND the st.

Sg st by you.
What the hell!

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